Subject: Re: [Butler Talk] Butler 4.2.1

From: Bill Earl <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2018 12:01:42 -0700 (PDT)

No problem, Rob. Thanks for the explanation.

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From: Rob Griffiths <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2018 05:12:48 -0700

On Sep 30, 2018, at 10:03 PM, Bill Earl <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I have two custom Butler menus in my menubar. Previously I could click on one, then switch to the other one by simply sliding the mouse cursor over to it. Now, I have to re-click the open menu to close it, then click on the other menu. Not as convenient as it was. This change may be required to allow the menus to be easily relocated in the menubar, but I prefer the previous behaviour I described, if that's possible.

Bill:

You're right, the behavior changed, and it's because of the changes in Butler. The original feature was a complete workaround (i.e. the official menu item system doesn't support it) that was written in Carbon. With the change to 64-bit, that workaround died. For that feature to come back now, Apple would have to officially change the menu item extras so that they behaved more like regular menu items (i.e. you can move from one to the next once you open one with a click).

Sorry;
-rob.

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From: Bill Earl <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 22:03:07 -0700 (PDT)

Since the title of this thread is Butler 4.2.1 (now Butler 4.2.2), I want 
to report a new "feature" I found in this version.

I have two custom Butler menus in my menubar. Previously I could click on 
one, then switch to the other one by simply sliding the mouse cursor over 
to it. Now, I have to re-click the open menu to close it, then click on the 
other menu. Not as convenient as it was. This change may be required to 
allow the menus to be easily relocated in the menubar, but I prefer the 
previous behaviour I described, if that's possible.

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From: Rob Griffiths <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 13:50:48 -0700

On Sep 26, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Thomas Rohde <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Need beta testers? Alpha testers? (No, I’m not suicidal (yet) but I honestly can’t wait.)
> And no, not asking for an ETA. But when would that be, if I asked for one? <plink plink>

No ETA, sorry! :)

-rob.

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From: Thomas Rohde <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 22:38:20 +0200

On 2018-09-26 at 14:40, Rob Griffiths <[email-masked]> wrote with subject “Re: [Butler Talk] Butler 4.2.1”:

> Butler 5 will be a total rewrite with many new features and an overhauled UI

Thanks, one more of too few reasons for still staying alive ;-)

Cordially,
Tom in Germany

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From: Rob Griffiths <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 05:40:53 -0700

On Sep 25, 2018, at 11:17 PM, Bill Earl <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Just wondered why you decided to call it Butler 4.2 instead of Butler 5 (which I paid for long ago). I was’t expecting 64-bit until version 5.

Because Butler 5 will be a total rewrite with many new features and an overhauled UI. This is not that :). But we wanted a 64-bit version done so that the OS wouldn't nag our users any more.

regards;
-rob.

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From: Bill Earl <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 23:17:26 -0700

Hi Rob,

Cheers,
Bill