Subject: Re: [Butler Talk] Lo Sierra

From: Rob Griffiths <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 21:06:02 -0800

On Nov 24, 2016, at 12:50 AM, Ken Gillett <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Yes, I just found that out when I tried moving that menu to the ‘Natural’ section. I have also found that the ‘Centre’ section doesn’t actually place items in the centre. Just on the left end of all the ‘Naturals’, but that has been like that for years though.
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> Will we ever be able to specify position again? I liked having my 'Sys Prefs’ menu in the far right corner.

As you've probably seen in today's Butler update, section names are gone. But as we explain in the release notes, it's not really the end of putting things where you want:

• On macOS Sierra, Butler's menu bar items no longer claim specific positions, because Butler can't guarantee those anyway. Instead, those menu bar items are just numbered sections, which you can command-drag to arrange them relative to your other menu bar items as you see fit.

regards;
-rob.

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From: Ken Gillett <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 08:50:25 +0000

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> On 23 Nov 2016, at 23:46, Rob Griffiths <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> On Nov 23, 2016, at 12:50 PM, Ken Gillett <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>> wrote:\
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>> I just had a problem with my Mac Pro slowing to a crawl (5 minutes to drop a menu) with continuous disk thrashing. I tried quitting things one by one (took hours) and then it came Butller's turn and after that it all seemed to quieten down. I can't be sure it was Butler, but it did look that way.
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> We haven't had any similar reports, but it's hard to say without knowing your config and system setup ... do you have Butler doing any work with networked drives, for instance? In any event, if it happens again, please let us know.

After it all settled down, I began to turn everything back on, including Butler and all is still well. Yes one of the Butler menus has a networked drive and sub-directories on it, but they've been there for years with no obvious problems.

I really am not convinced that Butler was the cause. I think it’s more likely it was Safari which has a tendency to bork when it’s been running for some time, with many windows open and I think this may have been associated in the past with runaway disk thrashing, although NO idea what on earth it is actually doing. It could have been coincidence that I quit Butler just as the Safari processes came to a halt after I had previously Force Quit it.

But worthwhile finding out if any other Butler users were experiencing the same thing. Good to hear not.

>> In any case, since upgrading to Sierra, part of my Butler config is failing. I (used to) have the System Preferences listed in a small menu on the far right of the Menu bar, something I found incredibly useful. But once Sierra was installed, that menu never appears. All the others do, but not that one.
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> Move that entry to the Menu Bar - Natural section; the named sections don't work reliably in Sierra.

Ken  G i l l e t t

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From: Rob Griffiths <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 15:46:23 -0800

On Nov 23, 2016, at 12:50 PM, Ken Gillett <[email-masked]> wrote:\

regards;
-rob.

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From: Rob Griffiths <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 15:46:23 -0800

regards;
-rob.

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From: Ken Gillett <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 12:50:03 -0800 (PST)

I just had a problem with my Mac Pro slowing to a crawl (5 minutes to drop 
a menu) with continuous disk thrashing. I tried quitting things one by one 
(took hours) and then it came Butller's turn and after that it all seemed 
to quieten down. I can't be sure it was Butler, but it did look that way.

In any case, since upgrading to Sierra, part of my Butler config is 
failing. I (used to) have the System Preferences listed in a small menu on 
the far right of the Menu bar, something I found incredibly useful. But 
once Sierra was installed, that menu never appears. All the others do, but 
not that one.

Any ideas?