Subject: Re: [Moom Talk] Don't like the new hex-tiles UI

From: Rick Monroe <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 14:57:13 -0700 (PDT)

I wondered why the change was implemented. Patent trolls are a real 
drag. Glad to hear that you might have a work around.

On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 at 5:20:00 AM UTC-7, Many Tricks wrote:
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> On May 23, 2017, at 3:46 AM, Pete <[email-masked] <javascript:>> 
> wrote:
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> Is there any reason you've changed the UI to display hex-tiles instead of 
> rectangles.
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> Yes, there is, and it's called "software patents:"
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> https://manytricks.com/blog/?p=4618
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> We know the new grid isn't ideal, but it's a lot better than "no grid" or 
> "get sued for grid" alternatives. And the good news is we're about 90% done 
> with another update that approaches this problem from another direction: 
> replacing the grid with something else that works just as well. Stay tuned; 
> we're just waiting on a legal review to give us the OK.
>
> regards;
> -rob.​
>
>

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From: Rob Griffiths <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 06:38:57 -0700

On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:15 PM, Michael Turk <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Agreed. It's truly horrible. Who exactly was threatening to sue over the grid? Every web development effort these days uses a grid and there are literally dozens of them. 

Michael:

The patent is much more specific than "grid." It's based around using a small image to represent a larger physical display, where the small image is representative of the shape of the larger display, and selecting regions on a grid on that small image using shapes that represent the windows being resized.

And it doesn't matter what anyone's doing today, it matters if they were doing it—as described above—back in 2008, before the patent was filed. (Even if we found prior art demonstrating this, it would be a long and expensive process to try to invalidate the patent, and we have neither the time nor the money for that battle.)

regards;
-rob.

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From: Michael Turk <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 22:15:33 -0700 (PDT)

Agreed. It's truly horrible. Who exactly was threatening to sue over the 
grid? Every web development effort these days uses a grid and there are 
literally dozens of them. 

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 10:01:06 PM UTC-6, David Greenwell wrote:
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> Glad to hear you're working on an alternative to the grid. It really is 
> dreadful.
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> Look forward to the next update.
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> (-:
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> On Tuesday, 23 May 2017 21:50:00 UTC+9:30, Many Tricks wrote:
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>> On May 23, 2017, at 3:46 AM, Pete <[email-masked]> wrote:
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From: David Greenwell <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 19:32:41 -0700 (PDT)

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From: Rob Griffiths <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 05:19:59 -0700

On May 23, 2017, at 3:46 AM, Pete <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Is there any reason you've changed the UI to display hex-tiles instead of rectangles.

https://manytricks.com/blog/?p=4618 <https://manytricks.com/blog/?p=4618>

We know the new grid isn't ideal, but it's a lot better than "no grid" or "get sued for grid" alternatives. And the good news is we're about 90% done with another update that approaches this problem from another direction: replacing the grid with something else that works just as well. Stay tuned; we're just waiting on a legal review to give us the OK.

regards;
-rob.​

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From: Pete <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 03:46:21 -0700 (PDT)

My screens are rectangular, all macOS windows are rectangular, why display 
them as hex-tiles? For me this is counter intuitive. Wish you go back to 
the old UI.

If you insist to stick with the new UI, at least make a preference that 
allows to switch to the old UI for people like me.

Pete