Subject: Re: [Witch Talk] Snow Leopard Hidden Application Ordering in Lion

From: Rob Griffiths <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 13:44:14 -0800

On Feb 1, 2012, at 1:31 PM, William Furr wrote:

> out at me.  Now I see lots more documentation!  Maybe there ought to
> be a copy of the documentation on the website, too?

There's a challenge there in keeping it in sync with the released version; it's on our to-do list, though.

> I don't know about the default behavior of Witch in Snow Leopard, but
> for the built-in Apple cmd-tab switcher, hidden apps went to the end
> of the list.

Sorry, I thought you were talking about hiding apps only within Witch. Yes, that is an annoying behavior change.

regards,
-rob.

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From: William Furr <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 16:31:10 -0500

Thanks Rob!

It took me a couple of minutes to find the help!  I have the prefpane
version, and for some reason the little ? in a circle wasn't jumping
out at me.  Now I see lots more documentation!  Maybe there ought to
be a copy of the documentation on the website, too?

http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/19185/can-i-get-back-snow-leopard-like-application-hiding-cmd-h-in-lion
http://mac.finerthingsin.com/post/9952566364/command-tab-switcher-behaves-differently-under-lion

I love hidden settings like these.  Makes me feel like I'm "in the
know" or "on the inside" when I tweak an app by editing a config file
instead of going through the settings GUI.

 - William

On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Rob Griffiths <[email-masked]> wrote:
> On Feb 1, 2012, at 12:58 PM, William Furr wrote:
>
>> eclipse, word, etc.).  Now in OS X 10.7 Lion, after I hide an
>> application, it becomes the next app in the cmd-tab order.
>>
>> I would really like a Snow Leopard-like sort order for Witch on Lion.
>> I really miss that old behavior and that's what caused me to seek out
>> Witch in the first place.
>
> I don't believe this is the default behavior in 10.6 or 10.7 -- Witch always just "hides in place," hiding the selected application, but leaving it where it is in the list. You can work around this, though, with a hidden pref; perhaps that's what you had done in 10.6?
>
> Quit/disable Witch (if you're using the System Preferences version, close System Preferences, too), open Terminal, copy/paste this command, then press Return:
>
> defaults write ~/Library/Application\ Support/Witch/Settings "Separate Hidden Windows" -bool true
>
> You won't see any output, but you've just changed Witch's settings. Now launch Witch, and make sure the "Sort windows by" pop-up is set to 'window activity order.' Now when you hide a window, it will jump to the bottom of the list, which is what you want, I believe.
>
> This command comes from the Tips and Tricks section of Help, where there are many others to add more customizability to Witch.
>
> regards;
> -rob.
>
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From: Rob Griffiths <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 13:22:41 -0800

regards;
-rob.

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From: William Furr <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 12:58:00 -0800 (PST)

Witch already has already hooked me with the ability to switch between
all windows, not just applications.  In particular, I love that
switching to a browser window won't cause other browser windows to
come to the front and cover up the other apps I was using.  That used
to drive me nuts when I had two browser windows open side-by-side and
a terminal window on top of one of them.

Anyway, back in OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, when I hid an application, it
would also go to the end of the cmd-tab list.  I really liked that
behavior, because I use some global hotkeys to triggering certain
utility applications (email, KeePassX, Adium) and cmd-tab for
switching between my current "work" windows (browser, terminal,
eclipse, word, etc.).  Now in OS X 10.7 Lion, after I hide an
application, it becomes the next app in the cmd-tab order.

The "All applications non-minimized" option comes close, but doesn't
ignore hidden apps, only minimized ones.