Subject: Re: [Witch Talk] Some valid application windows (with active/open files) shoved to bottom of activity order

From: crayolon <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 09:41:28 -0800 (PST)

Oh, hold the phones - I think it's working now! I must've had the previous 
version of witchdaemon still running... Please ignore - and thanks for 
whatever you've done in the past 6 years that's fixed this :)

/b

On Monday, 20 February 2017 17:37:33 UTC, crayolon wrote:
>
> Hi Rob,
>
>
> I just spotted that the v4 beta was available, and upgraded in the hope 
> that this weird issue with Adobe CS/CC software might have resolved itself 
> over time (either through a Witch update or through Adobe apps becoming 
> better OS neighbours). Still no joy, sadly - my 2015 versions of Audition 
> and Photoshop still stay resolutely stuck at the bottom of the switcher 
> list just above Finder, regardless of how recently I've used them. I'm on 
> El Capitan now (I guess I was on Snow Leopard back in 2011).
>
> Perhaps you could have another look at this in case something new in OS X 
> or Witch's design makes it possible to remedy?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> / Brendan
>

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From: crayolon <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 09:37:33 -0800 (PST)

Thanks in advance!

/ Brendan

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From: Brendan Ratliff <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 18:27:17 +0000

Ah, I see. Well Audition bucks the OS X trend a wee bit by opening all its
multiple projects in one application window - as far as I can tell, it's
only ever possible for one Audition window to be open at a time. But yes,
not all apps behave like this, so a more ground-up solution would be best :)

Thanks for clueing me in on it,

/b

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On 13 December 2011 18:14, Rob Griffiths <[email-masked]> wrote:

> On Dec 13, 2011, at 10:08 AM, Brendan Ratliff wrote:
>
> > Tried the slider, right up to 2000, but had no luck (I disabled and
> reenabled Witch and Audition each time I changed the slider value).
>
> Yea, our experience has been that apps that are slow tend to actually be
> apps that essentially don't respond - we once timed one at 53 seconds!
>
> > I'd been thinking about a solution to this (in the event that it was
> individual applications' construction that was causing the problem) - what
> about a 'whitelist' of applications, whereby anything that's added by the
> user and is found to be running is assumed to be active and prioritised
> along with all the other active windows? Just a thought, dunno if it'd work
> :)
>
> At the moment, if you sort by application-use order, then that's what
> you'll get, but not for windows-use order, because we don't technically
> know anything about those windows. However, we have it on our list to
> include such a sort option when using windows order, too.
>
> regards,
> -rob.
>
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From: Rob Griffiths <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:14:30 -0800

On Dec 13, 2011, at 10:08 AM, Brendan Ratliff wrote:

> Tried the slider, right up to 2000, but had no luck (I disabled and reenabled Witch and Audition each time I changed the slider value). 

Yea, our experience has been that apps that are slow tend to actually be apps that essentially don't respond - we once timed one at 53 seconds!

> I'd been thinking about a solution to this (in the event that it was individual applications' construction that was causing the problem) - what about a 'whitelist' of applications, whereby anything that's added by the user and is found to be running is assumed to be active and prioritised along with all the other active windows? Just a thought, dunno if it'd work :)

At the moment, if you sort by application-use order, then that's what you'll get, but not for windows-use order, because we don't technically know anything about those windows. However, we have it on our list to include such a sort option when using windows order, too.

regards,
-rob.

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From: Brendan Ratliff <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 18:08:07 +0000

Cheers Rob,

Thanks again,
/brendan
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On 13 December 2011 17:51, Rob Griffiths <[email-masked]> wrote:

> On Dec 13, 2011, at 4:56 AM, crayolon wrote:
>
> > I've noticed this with a few apps, but today it's Adobe Audition in
> > particular that's causing this behaviour. If I'm working between, for
>
> It's probably a timeout issue with the app not responding to our request
> for information in a timely manner. You could try moving the timeout slider
> (on the Behavior tab), but if the window is too slow to respond, it still
> won't show up.
>
> > Any ideas why this might be, and if it's something that can be fixed?
>
> If the slider doesn't fix it, then we can't fix it -- at least not in the
> current version of Witch. We have some ideas for working around
> non-resonsive windows, but it will take a rearchitecting of Witch's engine,
> so it'll have to happen in the next major update.
>
> regards,
> -rob.
>
> --

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From: Rob Griffiths <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:51:24 -0800

> particular that's causing this behaviour. If I'm working between, for

It's probably a timeout issue with the app not responding to our request for information in a timely manner. You could try moving the timeout slider (on the Behavior tab), but if the window is too slow to respond, it still won't show up.

> Any ideas why this might be, and if it's something that can be fixed?

If the slider doesn't fix it, then we can't fix it -- at least not in the current version of Witch. We have some ideas for working around non-resonsive windows, but it will take a rearchitecting of Witch's engine, so it'll have to happen in the next major update.

regards,
-rob.

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From: crayolon <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 04:56:28 -0800 (PST)

Hi there,

I've noticed this with a few apps, but today it's Adobe Audition in
particular that's causing this behaviour. If I'm working between, for
example, Ableton Live, Finder and Adobe Audition, then Live and Finder
are always up at the top of the activity-sorted Witch window list but
Audition is always shoved to the bottom and has the 'Activate' (left-
arrow) icon as if it's a childless app whose windows have all been
closed. But they haven't all been closed; it's always got either one
or multiple audio samples open.

Cheers,
/brendan