Subject: Re: [Witch Talk] Command-` not working anymore?

From: Rob Griffiths <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 12:38:07 -0700

On Apr 20, 2013, at 8:34 PM, Christian Höltje <[email-masked]> wrote:

> * Start iTerm
> * Close any windows from my previous session.
> * Open a new window
> * command-enter (full screen)
> * Close iTerm
> * Open iTerm
> * (a new fullscreen window is created, just like I left it before)
> * command-N
> * (a new fullscreen window is created)
> * command-enter (take it out of full screen)
> * THEN try to do the command-` it even breaks "Formost Application" the 
> same way as above!
> 
> I can "fix" it by:
> 
> * closing the fullscreen window.
> * focus the non-fullscreen window
> * command-N
> * command-enter

This explains it, I think: you can't toggle between a full-screen window and a regular window using Witch -- not in iTerm or any other application. A full-screen window is a stupid beast, on its own space, inaccessible to us in any way. So in the above, you have one full-screen and one non-full-screen window, and Witch can't see the full-screen window.

> size, though since I suspect this is the "extra" space that is too small to 
> fit a whole row or column of text in.

Yes, iTerm (and Terminal) have certain fixed column widths, and sometimes, you won't get what you expect from Moom because of this.

regards,
-rob.

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From: Christian Höltje <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 20:34:25 -0700 (PDT)

On Saturday, April 20, 2013 11:26:48 PM UTC-4, Christian Höltje wrote:

> On Saturday, April 20, 2013 10:26:23 AM UTC-4, Many Tricks wrote:
>
>> On Apr 15, 2013, at 9:33 PM, Christian Höltje <[email-masked]> wrote: 
>>
>> > * Open iTerm (iterm2.com -- latest build) 
>> > * Open one iterm2 window on your normal desktop. 
>> > * Open another iterm2 window lion full-screen (command-enter) 
>> > * With command-` mapped to "Frontmost application's non-minimized"... 
>> > * Click on the non-full-screen window and then press command-` 
>>
>> That works for me here; I get both windows listed in the switcher … so 
>> something else must be going on, though I'm not sure what to suggest to fix 
>> the issue -- I'll have to talk to Peter, our founder/programmer, to get his 
>> ideas. (My iTerm2 version is 1.0.0.20130319.) 
>>
>> regards, 
>> -rob.
>
>
> I can reproduce it pretty reliably on my system.  I'm using iTerm 
> 1.0.0.20130302 in the tests above.
>
> I just tried with your version of iTerm and the same results...just the 
> non-full-screen window is showing in the list.  It does work, however, when 
> starting from the full-screen.
>
> There *is* an option in iTerm called "Use Lion Fullscreen windows".  I 
> usually leave that checked.  If it is unchecked, then neither "Formost 
> application's non-minimized" nor "Formost application" works -- they are 
> broken in the same way as I described above. 
>

Oh-ho! I discovered something.

If I:

* Start iTerm

I can "fix" it by:

Then it works correctly!

I also notice that the border around the fullscreen window is different. 
 When it starts up fullscreen, the "background" color goes to the edge of 
the screen.  But when I "fix" it, there is some of the grey cloth weave 
around the edges.  You may not see that without playing with your font 
size, though since I suspect this is the "extra" space that is too small to 
fit a whole row or column of text in.

Interesting.

Ciao!

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From: Christian Höltje <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 20:26:48 -0700 (PDT)

On Saturday, April 20, 2013 10:26:23 AM UTC-4, Many Tricks wrote:

> On Apr 15, 2013, at 9:33 PM, Christian Höltje <[email-masked]<javascript:>> 
> wrote: 
>

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From: Rob Griffiths <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:26:23 -0700

> * Click on the non-full-screen window and then press command-`

That works for me here; I get both windows listed in the switcher … so something else must be going on, though I'm not sure what to suggest to fix the issue -- I'll have to talk to Peter, our founder/programmer, to get his ideas. (My iTerm2 version is 1.0.0.20130319.)

regards,
-rob.

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From: Christian Höltje <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 21:33:20 -0700 (PDT)

"Frontmost application's non-minimized" doesn't work always.

How to reproduce:

I expect to see both windows listed, but I just see the non-full-screen 
version.

I can work around this by setting command-` to use "Frontmost application" 
instead. :-/