Subject: Re: [Witch Talk] Witch 4 Beta Does Not Show Application Icon for Minimized Windows

From: Rob Griffiths <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 16:29:42 -0800

On Jan 10, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Sam Duncan <[email-masked]> wrote:

> When does the next minor update release?

No set schedule, but hopefully soon. We're trying to get it in final shipping shape before we send this one out; we'd like it to be the final beta version.

-rob.

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From: Sam Duncan <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 12:18:49 -0800 (PST)

Hi Rob,

On Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 8:10:28 PM UTC-6, Many Tricks wrote:
>
> On Jan 8, 2017, at 4:58 PM, Sam Duncan <[email-masked] <javascript:>> 
> wrote: 
>
> > which can--depending on the size a user has chosen--render the icon hard 
> to decipher. In my case, the icon is quite some inside the minimized bezel. 
> Maybe consider another way to indicate a minimized window that does not 
> require reducing the size of the icon? 
>
> The bezel actually serves two purposes: Windows that are minimized don't 
> have previews, so if someone's viewing previews, it prevents Witch from 
> showing an empty space (ironically just what you were seeing) for minimized 
> windows. 
>
> BTW, Peter fixed the issue, and it'll be usable again in the next minor 
> update. 
>
> regards; 
> -rob.

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From: Rob Griffiths <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 18:10:26 -0800

On Jan 8, 2017, at 4:58 PM, Sam Duncan <[email-masked]> wrote:

> which can--depending on the size a user has chosen--render the icon hard to decipher. In my case, the icon is quite some inside the minimized bezel. Maybe consider another way to indicate a minimized window that does not require reducing the size of the icon?

The bezel actually serves two purposes: Windows that are minimized don't have previews, so if someone's viewing previews, it prevents Witch from showing an empty space (ironically just what you were seeing) for minimized windows.

BTW, Peter fixed the issue, and it'll be usable again in the next minor update.

regards;
-rob.

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From: Sam Duncan <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 16:58:43 -0800 (PST)

I agree that some kind of indicator is needed to express that a window is 
minimized, but the current solution has the disadvantage of reducing the 
size of the application icon, which can--depending on the size a user has 
chosen--render the icon hard to decipher. In my case, the icon is quite 
some inside the minimized bezel. Maybe consider another way to indicate a 
minimized window that does not require reducing the size of the icon?

On Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 6:26:13 PM UTC-6, Many Tricks wrote:
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> On Jan 8, 2017, at 4:00 PM, Sam Duncan <[email-masked] <javascript:>> 
> wrote: 
>
> > So write ~/Library/Application\ Support/Witch/Settings "Show Minimized 
> Bevels" -bool true/false seems to be the culprit. Used CleanMyMac 3 to 
> completely removed Witch 4 Beta then reloaded a fresh copy. Works fine, but 
> as soon as you run the terminal command to remove bevels from minimized 
> windows, it breaks. 
>
> Nice detective work; I've sent on to Peter to see if he can fix. 
>
> >  Could we have an pref pane option for removing minimized bevels? 
>
> There hasn't been a lot of demand for this feature, but it's worth 
> discussing -- anyone else here happen to use that hidden pref? 
>
> -rob.

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From: Rob Griffiths <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 16:26:11 -0800

On Jan 8, 2017, at 4:00 PM, Sam Duncan <[email-masked]> wrote:

> So write ~/Library/Application\ Support/Witch/Settings "Show Minimized Bevels" -bool true/false seems to be the culprit. Used CleanMyMac 3 to completely removed Witch 4 Beta then reloaded a fresh copy. Works fine, but as soon as you run the terminal command to remove bevels from minimized windows, it breaks.

>  Could we have an pref pane option for removing minimized bevels?

There hasn't been a lot of demand for this feature, but it's worth discussing -- anyone else here happen to use that hidden pref?

-rob.

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From: Sam Duncan <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 16:00:57 -0800 (PST)

Sam

On Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 3:07:07 PM UTC-6, Sam Duncan wrote:
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> Created a guest user account, and it works normally there. 
>
> Witch must have inherited some setting from the old account that is 
> causing this behavior? I noted that my account has the “minimized square” 
> removed … I had this set in Witch 3. Could that have any impact?
>
> Sam
>
> On Jan 8, 2017, 1:38 PM -0600, Rob Griffiths <[email-masked]>, wrote:
>
> On Jan 8, 2017, at 11:10 AM, Sam Duncan <[email-masked]> 
> wrote: 
>
> Have uploaded a movie here: 
> https://cloudup.com/cHDgOJvzTxN
>
>
> Thanks Sam; I'm not seeing that at all here. If you try Witch 4 in a new 
> user account, does it work there?
>
> regards;
> -rob.
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From: Sam Duncan <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2017 15:05:45 -0600

Witch must have inherited some setting from the old account that is causing this behavior? I noted that my account has the “minimized square” removed … I had this set in Witch 3. Could that have any impact?

Sam

On Jan 8, 2017, 1:38 PM -0600, Rob Griffiths <[email-masked]>, wrote:
> On Jan 8, 2017, at 11:10 AM, Sam Duncan <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> Thanks Sam; I'm not seeing that at all here. If you try Witch 4 in a new user account, does it work there?
>
> regards;
> -rob.
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From: Rob Griffiths <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 11:38:25 -0800

On Jan 8, 2017, at 11:10 AM, Sam Duncan <[email-masked]> wrote:

> https://cloudup.com/cHDgOJvzTxN <https://cloudup.com/cHDgOJvzTxN>

regards;
-rob.

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From: Sam Duncan <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2017 13:08:00 -0600

Hi  Rob,

So when I have a bunch of Safari Tech Preview windows minimized and activate Witch 4, those minimized windows do not show their accompanying application icon. The same behavior seems to be happening with normal Safari as well. I’ve just uploaded a movie to the group thread I hope will clarify.

Sam

On Jan 8, 2017, 12:54 PM -0600, Rob Griffiths <[email-masked]>, wrote:
> On Jan 8, 2017, at 10:39 AM, Sam Duncan <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> > I'm seeing that when I have several Safari Technology Preview (and normal Safari as well) windows minimized and access them via Witch 4 Beta, they do not show their application icon. When I have the application hidden, icons show. When I have them active, icons show. Maybe I'm missing a setting that addresses this. Never saw this behavior in version 3.
>
> "When I have the application hidden, icons show. When I have them active, icons show."
>
> I'm not sure I understand that sentence ... I assume they don't show in some mode? And which icon are we talking about, the Safari app icon? If it doesn't show, what do you see?
>
> regards;
> -rob.
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From: Sam Duncan <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 11:10:28 -0800 (PST)

Sam

On Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 12:39:10 PM UTC-6, Sam Duncan wrote:
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> Hi all,
>
> Love the new beta and just starting to explore its possibilities.
>
> I'm seeing that when I have several Safari Technology Preview (and normal 
> Safari as well) windows minimized and access them via Witch 4 Beta, they do 
> not show their application icon. When I have the application hidden, icons 
> show. When I have them active, icons show. Maybe I'm missing a setting that 
> addresses this. Never saw this behavior in version 3.
>
> Thanks,
> Sam
>

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From: Rob Griffiths <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 10:54:03 -0800

regards;
-rob.

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From: Sam Duncan <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 10:39:10 -0800 (PST)

Hi all,

Thanks,
Sam